Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Re: st: significance of model improvement using log pseudolikelihood?

The issue here is that this test is not always straightforward. For instance one might want to compare tobit to linear regression with no corner solutions, and that sort of a test may be rather intricate and involve non-linear constraints. Of course you can do -nltest- to get Wald test out of that, but you would need to do quite a bit of analytical work figuring out what those constraints are, and there are complications due to nonlinear character that were described in one of the early SJ's. If all you need is to test a significance of a few coefficients, then go ahead with the Wald test; if you want to compare tobit to Heckman, or something of that kind... well that's still doable along the above lines. -lrtest- assumes nice convergence to the chi^2; the test statistic following pseudolikelihood estimation does converge to a distribution of a quadratic form, but my guess will be that it will be a mixture of chi^2's with different weights, and its distribution will be more involved than a chi^2 with a given number of degrees of freedom.

On 12/28/05, Maarten buis <maartenbuis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Bart: > > Testing the improvement of fit between two nested models is > equivalent to testing one or more constraints. Say I have the following nested models: > Model 1: y = a0 + a1*x1 > Model 2: y = b0 + b1*x1 + b2*x2 + b3*x3 > Model 2 is exactly the same as model 1 if b2 and b3 are zero. In which case both x2 and x3 added > nothing to the model and could have been left out. In other words model 2 is not an improvement > over model 1 if we cannot reject the constraint that b2 and b3 are zero. > > Sometimes the constraints are more complicated, or involve the shape parameter (e.g. some -streg- > models are nested that way) but the principle remains the same. > > So the advise given to you by the Stata FAQ also applies to testing improvements of fit. > > HTH, > Maarten > > ----------------------------------------- > Maarten L. Buis > Department of Social Research Methodology > Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam > Boelelaan 1081 > 1081 HV Amsterdam > The Netherlands > > visiting adress: > Buitenveldertselaan 3 (Metropolitan), room Z214 > > +31 20 5986715 > > http://home.fsw.vu.nl/m.buis/ > ----------------------------------------- > > Bart Vanneste wrote: > > How can I test the significance of model improvement if only > > the log pseudolikelihood is given? > > > > Can I still use LRtest? > > <snip> > > > On the STATA website, it is argued that lrtest is not valid > > when using pseudolikelihoods. The argument seems to focus on > > testing of a group of coefficients, and it's not clear whether > > the lrtest is also invalid when assessing (increases in) model > > fit. See: > > http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/stat/lrtest.html > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > * > * For searches and help try: > * http://www.stata.com/support/faqs/res/findit.html > * http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq > * http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/ >

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